James Introcaso sits down with Jeff Greiner, Sam Dillon, Tracy Hurley, and Liz Theis to discuss Gen Con's reaction to the Indiana religious freedom law and the delay of fifth edition Dungeons and Dragons conversion guides. After that James interviews Eberron campaign setting and Gloom card game creator Keith Baker to discuss the Kickstarter for his new card based RPG Phoenix: Dawn Command. This podcast was recorded on April 7 and 8, 2015.